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4-20 ma simulation
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Posted by J Hoke on 6 November, 2003 - 1:00 pm
Does anyone have a cheap and dirty design to simulate 4 to 20 ma 2 wire into an analog input in a PLC? Thanks.


Posted by Michael R. Batchelor on 7 November, 2003 - 12:38 am
There's a very good chance your 4-20 ma is really a 1-5 VDC signal developed across a 250 ohm resistor. )OK, maybe 2-10VDC, check and see.)

If it is, then just use a potentiometer and pick a voltage off the wiper arm for the input. Free if you have one in the junk box, 25 cents at radio shack. Any value will work, just use a pot and not a rheostat.

Michael
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Posted by Dr. Erlich on 1 December, 2003 - 5:04 pm
See EID's 2-10V or 1-5V or 200mV-1V to 4-20mA interface board at:

http://www.eidusa.com/Interface_Boards_4_20.htm

Enjoy,

Ron


Posted by Anonymous on 7 November, 2003 - 1:14 am
I use an "Altek" signal generator. The model I use does 4-20 or 0-10.


Posted by mperry74 on 18 August, 2010 - 3:28 pm
> I use an "Altek" signal generator. The model I use does 4-20 or 0-10. <

Would you tell me what kind or maybe a part number?
Thank you


Posted by Robert Scott on 7 November, 2003 - 7:49 am
How about a 24-volt battery, a 5K potentiometer, and a 50ma milliammeter connected in series?

-Robert Scott
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Posted by Thomas Hergenhahn on 7 November, 2003 - 7:57 am
Use a Battery and a potantiometer.
If the battery provides 9V, you'll need 450 Ohms for 20 mA, 2250 Ohms for 4 mA.
Take a 2.5 or 2.2 kOhms Poti in series with a 390 Ohms resistor, and you'll be able to go savely through the full range.


Posted by Mike Lamond on 7 November, 2003 - 8:19 am
The simplest design I have is a 470 ohm 2 watt resistor in series with a 10K ohm 1 watt 10 turn pot. The fixed resistor limits your maximum current to 51mA on a 24vdc supply. If you need to read the actual current, put your meter in series with this.

Now, if you do this a lot, get a bunch of resistors and pots, mount them in some kind of panel (we just bent and painted 16ga steel), and add terminals and decently long twisted pair cables.


Posted by Meir Saggie on 7 November, 2003 - 8:59 am
There is one missing piece of information in your question - resistance of
PLC input (I assume 250 ohm).
If so, a voltage source higher than 5 VDC (say four AA batteris) and a
potentiomeneter (wired as rheostat) can do.
I leave the calculations to you.
Meir.


Posted by Gabriele Corrieri on 7 November, 2003 - 8:03 pm
Hi Hoke,

I've two schemas to do this... see the following links

http://www.plcforum.it/forums/uploads/post-11-1051135466.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/superdemugiorgio/generatore%204-20%20mA %2024Vdc.gif

Best Regards

Gabriele Corrieri
mailto:Gabriele_Corrieri@hotmail.com


Posted by Roy Matson on 19 August, 2010 - 2:58 am
I have a very good simple design based on a 317 Voltage regulator
It uses 5 switches and gives 4-20 mA in 1 mA increments.
It's very accurate and independent of loop resistance.

Send me an e-mail

roy_matson [at] yahoo.ca


Posted by D.DUHAIME on 21 May, 2012 - 4:33 pm
If you're only trying to light up the PLC inputs to verify wiring from a field terminal, you could hook up a 10k potentiometer to the existing 24VDC bus. It will max out at 5mA and will trigger the PLC inputs. This would NOT be a good way to calibrate something, but i use this cheap potentiometer in lieu of a very expensive process meter to ensure the field terminals are on the right PLC inputs. =)


Posted by bob peterson on 21 May, 2012 - 6:04 pm
I don't get your math here.

A pot can go all the way down to zero Ohms, so the current in the loop would only be limited by the input resistance of the analog card. A fair number of analog input cards have 50 ohm dropping resistors, so a zero ohm external resistance to the power supply positive on a 2 wire circuit would give you almost 500 mA of current, not 5 mA.

I have run across a few AIN cards that use a 250 Ohm dropping resistor. Even so, the max that would give you would be something like almost 100 mA.

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Bob


Posted by HeBa on 1 March, 2014 - 3:56 pm
I found this article about 4-20 mA simulation with a potentiometer.

http://www.divize.com/techinfo/4-20ma-potentiometer.html

regards,
HeBa

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