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Level switch selection for sludge and slurry
Continuous process industries, DCS questions. topic
Posted by Hamid on 14 November, 2007 - 11:26 pm
Hi everybody,

We have a sewage tank and we need some level switches as a back up for hydrostatic level transmitter which generates alarms and start/stop commands to pumps, valves, etc. The question is what type of level switch is proper for this application. Some facts regarding this issue are as follows:

1. In some cases the tanks are agitated (no calm surface)
2. The media is sludge and other thick and slurry stuff.
3. We need multi point switches (up to 5 points)
4. The level range is around 10m and less.

To me, float switch is not proper for this application at all. I know capacitance, thermal and vibrating level switches are good. I am also aware of bubbling type but it cannot be used as we have no compressed air available. I know some optical level switches are also used in for sludge but I doubt they are trouble free! I try to avoid ultrasonic as well, since the tanks are agitated.
I want to avoid the complexity of nuclear, radar and microwave type as well.

Personally I think capacitance level switches are best for such an application.

I would appreciate expert comments about this issue concerning the technical and commercial aspects.

Beat Regards,
Hamid


Posted by Bill Hendrick on 15 November, 2007 - 2:39 pm
Hamid,

I think your comments regarding capacitance make sense. You will have some build-up on the probes that will need to be addressed through routine maintenance.

I do question the idea of backing up a level transmitter with five independent level switches. It seems a more reliable and trouble free approach would be to perform the back-up with an additional transmitter that utilizes a different technology. If you are comfortable with capacitance, why not use a transmitter instead of five switches? You mention concerns with the complexity of radar. I think the complexity issues with the technology have largely been resolved. The particular application described would be well suited to thru-air or guided wave radar transmitters. To avoid the maintenance, thru-air may make the most sense. Most vendors should be able to demonstrate the technology on your application to give you a good idea of how it would work and how complex it is to set up in your application.

Hope this helps.

Bill Hendrick
Magnetrol International, Incorporated
www.magnetrol.com


Posted by Roy on 17 November, 2007 - 10:18 pm
Hamid,
I worked in mining for many years. Ultrasonic meters work well on agitated tanks provided there is not much foam. Have you considered a submersible pressure transmitter eg Druck, you would probably need to mount it at the bottom of a pipe for support and easy removal. I agree that capacitance will work if the agitation is not too violent (bend the probe). I agree also float switches are a bad choice you will end up with a tangled mess.

Conductivity probes can work well in some cases i.e. one probe for each level point but again they can get tangled in an agitated tank.
What about a second DP cell either flange mount or regular connected to the bottom with a water flush?

Good Luck
Roy

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